Has anyone here already seen the great work Samuel Murray is currently doing over at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Cafetran_Espresso (look at that list!!!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cafetran_Espresso

Michae

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Draft talk:Cafetran Espresso

FYI, Wikipedia style is to omit ™ and ® symbols. Schazjmd (talk) 21:41, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Prevalence / claims to notability

The "ranking" on ProZ.com's "software comparison tool" isn't worth much because the feature is not well-loved or much used by the community (it replaced a more popular comparison tool which was redesigned to less useful format). The problem with such rankings is that smaller tools with an active activist membership tend to have the highest rankings. -- leuce (talk) 11:33, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

According to Jost Zetsche's book The Translator Tool Box (2015 edition), "As far as users of operating systems other than Windows, approximately 20% use CafeTran Espresso on a Mac and less than 10% on Linux." It doesn't say where that information is from, but Jost Zetsche is an industry expert. -- leuce (talk) 12:59, 24 May 2019 (UTC) -- ADDED TO ARTICLE

I mention the dropdown list on ProZ.com for notability, as not all CAT tools make it to the dropdown list. Similarly, not all CAT tools get a separate subforum at ProZ.com -- it has to be requested, and ProZ.com staff has to evaluate the request based on whether the tool is widely used before opening a tool-specific subforum. You can't see the message count at Google Groups, but you can calculate it. --leuce (talk) 17:23, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

289 members at TranslatorsCafé mention CafeTran on their profile pages (compared to 23000 Trados, 8500 Wordfast and 1800 OmegaT), here. -- leuce (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2019 (UTC) -- ADDED TO ARTICLE

On product name

Although the product is currently marketed as "CafeTran Espresso", it is called simply "CafeTran" by its users and even in places on its web site. The "Espresso" version of CafeTran is the only version which is currently available. Therefore, although the article name may be "CafeTran Espresso", I think we should just use "CafeTran" throughout the article. -- leuce (talk) 11:58, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

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The following unsigned comment was present at the bottom of the public page. I suspect the author meant it as a comment: Edited page, removing TM marks, adding a bit of info on the functionalities and formats. The reviews on ProZ should counts as 3rd party reference (the ranking is from users, not from the ProZ team). -- leuce (talk) 12:11, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Mentions

Books

• CafeTran is mentioned four times in lists of CAT tools in the Routledge Encyclopedia of Translation Technology (page 49), here. --leuce (talk) 17:59, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• According to Google Books, CafeTran is mentioned in Jenner & Jenner's "The Entrepreneurial Linguist: The Business-School Approach to Freelance Translation", but I could not confirm this.
• Corinne McKay's "How to Succeed as a Freelance Translator" (3rd edition) (page 144, in list of "commercial tools with standalone translation interface". - confirmed.
• Adriana Tassini's "The Translator Training Textbook" (page 59, under "other tools worth a mention"). - confirmed. --leuce (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Chan Sin-wai's "The Future of Translation Technology: Towards a World without Babel" mentions CafeTran in its lists of which tools support which file types (page 41-45), and which tools support TMX (page 47). Also mentions CafeTran on page 124, 170 and 221 (but I can't see the preview pages). --leuce (talk) 07:33, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Journals and newsletters

Jost Zetzsche's monthly translator newsletter "Tool Box" mentions CafeTran in a number of its issues:

• Ed 108 (Feb 2008), introduces version 2, lists main features
• Ed 160 (Feb 2010), four paragraphs in an article about various CAT tools
• Ed 196 (July 2011), mentions it in a short story about CAD translation
• Ed 224 (July 2013), more extensive review of CafeTran and its developer
• Ed 245 (Feb 2015), waxes lyrical about how CafeTran implemented a segmentation scanning feature just 4 days after the newsletter reported on its implementation by MemoQ
• Ed 261 (May 2016), reviews CafeTran's support of CAD again, and mentions CafeTran's API extension for TM Town -- ADDED TO ARTICLE
• Ed 280 (Oct 2017), notes CafeTran's masking of confidential terms during machine translation

[link to archives] (password protected, subscribers only) --leuce (talk) 13:28, 24 May 2019 (UTC) -- ADDED A FEW ITEMS TO THE ARTICLE

Surprisingly, CafeTran is mentioned only once in the Translation Journal, here, in a list of CAT tools that is supported by TranslateCAD (Volume 17, No. 4 October 2013), so there's no mention of it specifically. --leuce (talk) 17:02, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Magazines and newspapers

I can find only one mention of CafeTran in the ATA's Chronicle: Here, January 2016, an article by Jost Zetzsche makes a passing mention of the tool. -- leuce (talk) 12:52, 24 May 2019 (UTC) -- ADDED TO ARTICLE

Other

Dominique Pivard (self-styled CAT guru) produced two videos in 2012/2013 about CafeTran. Dominique is not a user of CafeTran and favours MemoQ as a CAT tool. Dominique's YouTube channel is no longer active, but he produced videos highlighting various features in different CAT tools --leuce (talk) 13:02, 24 May 2019 (UTC) -- ADDED INFO FROM VIDEOS TO ARTICLE

Slator reports on the 2018 survey of the Italian translators' association IATI, and mentions that CafeTran was used by at least some of its members. The report itself (in Italian) shows the graph on page 61, indicating that a full 1% of its members use CafeTran (assuming 550 survey participants, that's about 5 of their members).--leuce (talk) 07:46, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Via Google Scholar

• 2006 Translation memories survey 2006: Users' perceptions around TM use - E Lagoudaki, 2006 mentions CafeTran on page 3 as a "known new arrival in 2006", on page 15 in a list of 27 CAT tools that are used by fewer than 10% of users, and on page 21 in a list of 31 CAT tools that are used by fewer than 2% of users (but this was in 2006, and MemoQ is also in that list!)
• 2007 Creación de un entorno de trabajo para la formación de profesionales de los servicios lingüísticos con GNU/Linux... - O Díaz Fouces, 2007 mentions CafeTran 2006 on page 8 as a "management of translation memories" tool that was *not* included on the PCLinuxOS CD, but which might be considered for it. It also mentions CafeTran as a "proprietary tool" on page 12 along with the republika.pl web site. -- ADDED TO ARTICLE
• 2011 Neun Translation-Memory-Systeme im Praxiseinsatz - N Keller, 2011 mentions CafeTran in the appendix on page 91 in a list of 14 CAT tools, including the republika.pl web site address.
• 2011 Moderne Technologien zur Unterstützung der Sprachübersetzung für Einsteiger - I Peštálová, 2011 mentiions CafeTran on page 34 in a list of 20 CAT tools, and on page 96 in a list of 15 CAT tools.
• 2012 According to Google Scholar, Language Technology Support for Polish - G Rehm, 2012 appears to mention CafeTran as an example of a "smaller SME offering computer-aided translation", but I don't have access to springer.com.
• 2013 An Analysis of the Use of Translation and Interpretation Services in the Zlín Region - H Brandová, 2013 mentions CafeTran on page 19 in a list of 7 CAT tools.
• 2014 Solving Terminology Problems More Quickly with 'IntelliWebSearch (Almost) Unlimited' - M Farrell, 2014 mentions CafeTran on page 215 among 4 other CAT tools: Several translation environment tools have incorporated IntelliWebSearch-like capabilities, including ... CafeTran. ... CafeTran was first released at around the same time as IntelliWebSearch. CafeTran has an option to import IntelliWebSearch resource settings. ... Furthermore ... CafeTran does searches in a built-in browser window, thus consuming part of your “screen real estate”, although CafeTran also allows users to search with an external browser if they prefer. -- ADDED TO ARTICLE
• 2015 Las herramientas TAO: creación de diccionarios de autosugerencias y modificación de una memoria de traducción a partir de la herramienta SDL Trados Studio 2009 - E López Sainz-Aja, 2015 mentions CafeTran on page 33 in a list of 19 CAT tools, in the column for "proprietary" tools (there is also a column for "libre" tools).
• 2015 Linked terminologies: applying linked data principles to terminological resources - P Cimiano, 2015 says on page 511: IATE has been integrated in different CAT tools and databases (... CafeTran), ....
• 2015 Openness in Computing The Case of Linux for Translators - P Sandrini, 2015 mentions CafeTran among 5 other CAT tools on page 67: Translation technology has been around more or less thirty years now, but the number of available software products as well as specific free and open source projects has multiplied in recent years. ... While for many translators, translation technology still equals Trados, a widely used proprietary CAT tool, a number of specific translation-oriented applications have been developed exclusively for or ported to the Linux environment, so that today there is a variety of options available. Commercial products, such as ... Cafetran ..., are available on the market on the basis of proprietary licenses... . -- ADDED TO ARTICLE
• 2015 According to Google Scholar, Recommendations for Translation Environments to Improve Translators' workflows - J Van den Bergh, 2015 says on page 4: By far the most commonly used TEnT was SDL Trados, followed at significant distance by memoQ, CafeTran and XTM International., but I don't have access to the uhdspace on uhasselt.be.
• 2016 Computer-Aided Translation Tools - D Morosoff, 2016 mentions CafeTran on page 61 in a list of 11 CAT tools, saying that it is a type of CAT tool that not only ... provides tools for the translation process, but also facilitates word processing and management of the work. The class of such systems is now called “translation workstations”. (As far as I know, though, neither CafeTran nor any of the other 10 tools in that list do provide "facilitates word processing and management of the work".)
• 2016 According to Google Scholar, Tłumacze kontra maszyny, czyli o tłumaczeniu wspomaganym komputerowo - O Witczak, 2016 appears to mention CafeTran in a list of CAT tools, but I don't have access to researchgate.net.
• 2017 Análisis y comparativa de los sistemas educativos de diversas universidades en cuanto al uso y enseñanza de los programas de traducción asistida por ordenador - O Chueco Rodríguez, 2017 mentions CafeTran on page 30 and 31 with regard to the use of 12 CAT tools, but I can't understand the Italian.
• 2017 Post-Editing: A Theoretical and Practical Challenge for Translation Studies and Machine Learning -FEM do Carmo, 2017 mentions CafeTran on page 48 in the section for "Applications that offer support at the phrase level", in a quote from Jost Zetzsche's newsletter (already cited in the Wikipedia article): In recent years, several implementations appeared ... in the context of the connection between TM and MT: Examples include auto-suggestions of subsegments of partial machine translation segments (...CafeTran) ....
• 2017 Masterarbeit/Master's Thesis - T Feldhofer, 2017 mentions CafeTran twice on page 78, along with only Trados, MemoQ and XTM, but I can't understand the German.
• 2018 Computer tools in the teaching of translators as website localization professionals - J Gutiérrez-Artacho, 2018 mentions CafeTran on page 1172 in a list of 17 CAT tools called "assisted translation" tools.
• 2018 Технічний інструментарій перекладача як складова фахової підготовки - РІ Дранко, 2018 mentions CafeTran on page 24 in a list of 22 CAT tools.
• 2018 Multilingual paraphrase grammars for machine translation evaluation - T Nieminen, 2018 says on page 14: Even though Example-based MT (EBMT) research slowed down with the rising popularity of Statistical MT (SMT), EBMT-like features have recently been incorporated into many CAT tools, such as Dejà vu, MemoQ and CafeTran. These features are part of a broader trend of including subsegmental matching into TM systems. -- ADDED TO ARTICLE
• 2018 Disabled translators' use of technology: present reality and future possibilities - PLA Patatas, - 2018 on page 39 mentions CafeTran along with TStream and WFA as tools that 25% of respondents reported they had problems with using voice recognition software. On page 41 the author says that he was unaware of CafeTran when he started his study (i.e. its existence was volunteered by respondents).
• 2018 According to Google Scholar, Intellingo: An Intelligible Translation Environment - S Coppers, 2018 says that CafeTran is "often used", but I don't have access to the ACM's digital library. --leuce (talk) 09:22, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

CAD support

CafeTran supports DXF directly. A shareware program called TranslateCAD mentions CafeTran in its list of supported programs, but TranslateCAD works by extracting translatable text from DXF files (which is why it claims that you can use TransateCAD to translate files using CafeTran, Trados, Wordfast, etc. etc.). --leuce (talk) 17:00, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Features section

I've added a "Features" section, but this can obviously not be a comprehensive list of all features. Perhaps the main features should be listed, or features that very few other CAT tools have, or features in which CafeTran were among the first to implement them. -- leuce (talk) 18:53, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

More useful URLs

• Hans van den Broek's blog CafeTran4Mac (also on Wayback Machine)
• Official web site since 2015: www.cafetran.com (also on Wayback Machine)
• The previous help file site cafetranhelp.com (Wayback Machine only)
• The previous official site cafetran.republika.pl (Wayback Machine only) --leuce (talk) 19:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
• Jean Dimitriadis's comprehensive (and up to date) ‘TheCafeTranFiles’ wiki maintained on github.com --Michael Beijer (talk) 10:54, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Nice idea, but better invest all available resources in Jean's splendid wiki ...

 Yes, this is a nice effort. I started this page a while ago, since I could not add an entry for Cafetran Espresso in the list of CAD on Wikipedia. Someone complained the software did not have its own page. Then the page was rejected several times. We tried to improve it, and I think it is actually more complete than many other software on WP. However, the same people are still blocking its publication for lack of notability. It makes me quite angry, but there is nothing much we can do, except resubmitting it when something is added.