Wow, the new feature sounds very interesting indeed!
I'm currently using DVX3, because of it's fantastic Dragon support, so would love to test-drive this new feature with Dragon Professional Individual 15 + Win10. I'd also like to test it with KnowBrainer 2017, to create a voice script to manage to connection/transfer with/to the external editor (probably MS Word in my case, but might also try Notepad and Dragon's own Dictation Box).
PS: I also just tested that Google Docs feature "Voice typing", and it is pretty darned great!
> ... and it is pretty darned great!
Yes, it is, and not only in English! I was nicely surprised testing it in my native Polish.
One more remark about the transfer of source segment formatting tags via the external editor. Just type the pipe character '|' at the tag position and CafeTran will recognize it as a target segment tag.
I'll test the "Bind external editor" later, but it's certainly a great feature.
However, I am concerned with the solution applied for enabled/disabled editing of source segment.
When editing is disabled, one cannot even (correct me if I'm wrong) navigate between source and target and select source words with the keyboard. This is very impactical, and allowing source editing just to be able to select source is dangerous: I'll have to enable source editing even if that is not my intention. Accidental source editing is more dangerous that accidental not saving in case of disabled editing.
I also find the gray distinct border on target or source segment quite distracting. The blinking cursor wasn't enough to show the focus? I'd suggest if possible a more discreet border... It's too "in your face" for a minimalist...
Well, it seems to be a conflict of requests here :). For some users, the blinking cursor was not enough. Just disable source editing via the menu Edit > Edit source segment to cancel the gray border in the source segment pane. The gray border color is used in the most popular editors too. The option for this border color may be added in the future. BTW, in this update, the source segment pane has redo/undo function just like the target segment pane.
Thank you for your quick reply. I'm sure everyone has their own preferences, that's why I voice mine as well, so that they can get a chance to be taken into account. It's good to know that redo/undo can now be used on source edits. I'll leave the function on then to be able to select source words then.
As for the border:
- I also notice it's present on the Notes/clipboard table. Not sure it's helpful there.
Also, it seems the border changes between source and target segments (when source editing is enabled) not to show the actual pane where the cursor is present, but according to mouse placement. This means the cursor can be on the source segment while the border is on the target segment and vice versa, which I guess defeats the purpose of showing "focus", if it does not distract as I said.
Attaching a file for this behavior.
Lastly, concerning the border's visibility, an option to hide the frame or simply adjust its color etc. would be fine indeed.
Total Recall source and target quick search buttons have transparent background color in my CafeTran, making the white letters unreadable.
The TAB key no longer lets me cycle between source segment and target segment.
The bottom line of the grey marking is missing.
Where to set the editor to process the segment via the Binding?
>- Automatic case adjustment of the target segment while typing - an option in the Edit > Target menu.
Didn't notice any automatic adjustment while typing, pasting or dragging ...
>- A distinct border around the currently edited pane.
It's not fully around, it's three quarters around only. Can you make the vertical bars as thick as the horizontal, since this is really ugly? Instead of the border: a brighter white for the whole box?
1. The source segment locking reverted to the previous version because of the mentioned focus change issue.
2. The Total Recall Search buttons are filled with their color now on Linux system.
Please download and apply the second build of this update 25 (build 2016110903)
Thanks for the feedback!
- Edit source segment option enables/disables editing in the source segment pane completely now.
- A distinct border around the currently edited pane.
- Redo/Undo function in the source segment pane.
Hey Igor thanks for this, I appreciate your responsiveness. However, I have to agree with Idim on the necessity of being able to select source text - this is essential for my workflow. Since to retain this functionality we now need to allow editing of source segments, all this update does is remove the option of preventing editing of source segments.
The second build of this update brought back the ability to select the source segment even when the edit source segment option is off. The behaviour is exactly the same as before - the changes to the source segment in the pane are only for the purpose of the selection and correction with the edit option off.
CafeTran Espresso 2016 Ichiro - Update 25 is available for download. The update can be performed via the Drag & Drop procedure as follows:
1. Run CafeTran.
2. Download 20161109_update.zip file from here (do not unzip or rename the file after downloading) and place it on your desktop.
Note: On Mac OSX, the Safari web browser may unzip the file automatically after downloading. To prevent this, just use the right-click menu and choose the "Download Linked File" command.
3. Drag and drop the downloaded file into the Project Dashboard and restart the program.
Alternatively, you can install the update via the Update button in the Help > About panel instead of dragging and dropping.
- Long matches in the Matchboard switch to the vertical display to save the space.
- Matchboard's right-click option to shorten match information in the grid.
- The default font scale setting for websites in the View > Font menu.
- Redo/Undo function in the source segment pane.
- Automatic case adjustment of the target segment while typing - an option in the Edit > Target menu.
- A new major feature "Bind external editor" (see the option in the menu Edit) with its AutoNext function.
Binding the external editor to CafeTran serves two purposes:
1. Enable dictation with CafeTran across all operating systems.
2. Enjoy your favorite typing environment and its functions (e.g. alternative spell checker, grammar-checker).
When you finish dictating or typing of the target segment in the external editor:
On Windows and Linux, press CTRL+A followed by CTRL+ C shortcut.
On Mac OSX, press Command+A, Command+C, Command+TAB shortcut.
The AutoNext function handles the addition of the current segment to the memory and takes the next segment for translation automatically. It also corrects the capitalization of the target segment and its ending punctuation - two frequent errors during dictation.
On each operating system, the above shortcuts can be grouped as one, activated by a voice command if you wish. The detailed description will be available in the Knowledge Base soon.
The AutoNext function has been tested on each operating system in Google Chrome browser using Google Docs "Voice typing" tool which works with lots of languages. The function can be used in other editing environments (e.g. MS Word or LibreOffice) with your preferred dictation program (e.g. Dragon Naturally Speaking).
Hopefully, this new feature will add yet another translation technique, boost and fun to your workflow.
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